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hutch0
Date: 2007-11-14 23:01
Subject: life is not only stranger than we imagine, it's stranger than we can imagine - two
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I've noticed I don't do a very good job of tying up the loose ends of the news stories I mutter on about here, a situation I intend to rectify somewhat. For example, the howling vortex of graft and corruption which is Blue Peter has been at it again.

Anyway, here's What Happened Next to the chap who was caught in flagrante with a bicycle. And I'll be honest with you, I still don't know quite what to say about it.
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RealThog: Jim's bear pic
User: realthog
Date: 2007-11-15 04:23 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Jim's bear pic
There's gotta be a "saddlesore" joke in here somewhere ...
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pds_lit
User: pds_lit
Date: 2007-11-15 04:43 (UTC)
Subject: Exactly!
It is amazing just how much we thing alike!
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RealThog
User: realthog
Date: 2007-11-15 05:47 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Exactly!
"It is amazing just how much we thing alike!"

Pardon?
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pds_lit: Baby quilt
User: pds_lit
Date: 2007-11-15 05:49 (UTC)
Subject: Re: Exactly!
Keyword:Baby quilt
Ok...think alike!
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Chris
User: camies
Date: 2007-11-15 07:33 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I'm still a bit concerned by this. He was in private until the cleaners burst in, he wasn't harming anyone. If he'd been having sex with another person would he have been done for public sex (or whatever the offence is)? There's also an issue over what comprises private space and privacy.
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RealThog
User: realthog
Date: 2007-11-15 15:31 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I couldn't agree with you more. Joking aside, it was his bicycle and his room, the door of which was shut, so it's extremely hard to work out what possible crime he might be considered to have committed. It sounds like one of those instances where a stupid arrest was made and then a pompous, self-regarding law-enforcement system, incapable of admitting its error -- because it believes to do so might result in loss of face and thereby cause anarchy in the streets, or something -- carries on to bring a senseless prosecution.
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2007-11-16 22:36 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I have to agree with you both. The crime he was charged with was `a sexually aggravated breach of the peace by conducting himself in a disordely manner and simulating sex.' Which I suspect was the only charge which even vaguely covered him.

What I think happened is that once the cleaners reported him and police had been called, because it was a `sexual offence' they were required to bring charges. And once he had been found guilty, because it was a sexually aggravated breach of the peace, he was required to sign the sex offenders' register. I don't think it's a case of the law being pompous and self-regarding - it's more that it's inflexible, a series of locked-in steps. A leads to B, which leads to C.

I'm not so sure about issues of privacy. He was in a hostel, not in his own home, and the cleaners had knocked on the door several times and not received a reply.

But I do agree, he wasn't hurting anyone. Had he been with another person, the worst that might have happened, depending on the house rules, is that he might have been asked to leave the hostel.

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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2007-11-17 11:46 (UTC)
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It seems we're not the only ones discussing this.
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RealThog: Jim's bear pic
User: realthog
Date: 2007-11-17 23:14 (UTC)
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Keyword:Jim's bear pic
"It seems we're not the only ones discussing this."

But not to much useful purpose, it'd seem. Here's the last few lines of the Beeb report you link to:

However, Mr Scott said it should not be seen as a test case or one that would set a precedent in the future.

"This case should not prevent people who want to engage in this sort of activity doing so.

"What I would say to a client of mine that wanted to do this kind of thing is as long as it's behind a bolted door, with an inanimate object, then each to their own."


Except that, as this report and others make perfectly clear, Mr Stewart was behind a locked door when he got it on with the bike. It's very hard to understand why he was pestered by the law at all.
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2007-11-18 19:13 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I think the important word in that statement is `bolted,' rather than `locked.'

But I agree with you, it is hard to understand why the case was brought at all, when a simple caution would have sufficed.
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