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Date: 2009-05-26 22:55
Subject: dear california...
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...that noise you can hear in the background is the civilised world laughing bitterly at you. Kthxbai.
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teacher_bear: Flying Thoughts
User: teacher_bear
Date: 2009-05-26 23:20 (UTC)
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I agree. What is wrong with them?
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User: hutch0
Date: 2009-05-26 23:21 (UTC)
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I doubt this is over yet.
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RealThog: shoe
User: realthog
Date: 2009-05-27 00:19 (UTC)
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"that noise you can hear in the background is the civilised world laughing bitterly at you"

I think it has something to do with the fact that if you put bigoted, none-too-clever elderly arseholes into your Supreme Court you get the moronic decisions that are made by bigoted, none-too-clever elderly arseholes all over the world.

I weep for America, honestly. Most of its population wants to move into the 21st century, and then you get all these influential, rich, pig-ignorant old farts who'd like to regress it to the 18th, where they could have fun brutalizing the rest of us.

History won't be kind to them. I just wish history weren't so long in coming.
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Kat: hopeless
User: artykat
Date: 2009-05-27 00:29 (UTC)
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what he said.

Edited at 2009-05-27 12:29 am (UTC)
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User: mylefteye
Date: 2009-05-27 08:41 (UTC)
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I need a day or two in the real world, because I haven't foggiest notion of what you're talking about. Something to so with Proposition 8?
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User: (Anonymous)
Date: 2009-05-28 07:38 (UTC)
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As a resident of California for 15 years and at the risk of being accused of being bigoted, may I most humbly add another view:

1. It is my understanding that the courts of California were to pass a ruling on whether Prop 8 was an appropriate instrument to amend the state constitution. The court case was to determine if this proposition was put on the ballot properly. Regardless of the personal feelings in reference to the proposition itself, the court ruled that the proposition being on the ballot last fall had followed procedure. The protests around it were not directly addressing the case itself.

2. About 40% of the voting population of California is made of naturalized or 1st generation US citizens coming from a variety of cultures, many of which do not view homosexuality as socially acceptable. You'll have to forgive these "uncivilized" people for having opinions that differ from your "enlightened" ones. Five years ago, the idea of same sex marriage was not even a blip on the horizon of the consciousness of the majority. Multiple cultures are alive and well in this state; and that translates to many voters from those cultures. The voters had in fact voted for the proposition.

3. The referendum system in California has its roots in the old wealthy-ranchero-versus-humble-laborer paradigm. It is significantly flawed and has produced countless problems, both legislative and social in the state's 160+ year existence. Still, the rule of law prevails; thus, unless and until that system is legally changed we will continue to have these kinds of machinations.

4. Up until a few years ago, the law on the books of California did define marriage as between one man and one woman. This was a law enacted in the 1880s to "combat" the influx of Mormons into the state. That that law was changed without any consultation with populace is most interesting indeed.

5. The turn-around from just a few years ago that Californian politics was full of liberal crazies to the new punditry of old-fashioned pomposity prevailing is amusing.

6. As a citizen of California, please let us work on our other problems. The State is teetering on bankruptcy. It has functioned as a third world country for decades; and that can be ignored no longer.

Most neutrally yours,
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User: hutch0
Date: 2009-06-03 21:45 (UTC)
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Thanks for that perspective on the case, Jean. It's true California has much more pressing problems, and I can only hope that when they've been addressed successfully your compatriots can revisit this issue.
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