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hutch0
Date: 2007-12-02 20:16
Subject: well, that's alarming
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Earlier in the week I got into a discussion with realthog about the FBI's attempt to identify some of the users of Amazon Marketplace. In my usual mumbling way I said I saw this as just a case of people doing their jobs. The FBI wanted to identify those people because they had done business with someone they were building a case against, and some of them might have been witnesses. The judge saw the request might cause a precent, and denied them permission. This is how the system is supposed to work, and, to my mind at least, it worked well in this case.

On the other hand, I don't think I can ride to the defence of this with quite such a clear conscience. It appears that, under bounty-hunting laws that go back to the 19th Century, the United States is quite within its rights to `kidnap' anyone, anywhere, and bring them back to the US for trial. I'm not certain what I find more alarming - that they can do it at all, or that they've been able to do it since the 1860s and nobody seems to have known about it.
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RealThog: morgan brighteyes
User: realthog
Date: 2007-12-03 01:42 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:morgan brighteyes
The two cases are just different aspects of the same thing.
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2007-12-03 21:37 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I'm still not convinced they are, for reasons we discussed at your place.
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RealThog: Jim's bear pic
User: realthog
Date: 2007-12-03 23:37 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Jim's bear pic
Stubborn ol' bugger, aren't you? That sweet little wife of yours must have the patience of a saint to put up with it.
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2007-12-03 23:43 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
She would certainly agree. But you should stay with us for a while and see who's really in charge.
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calcinations
User: calcinations
Date: 2007-12-03 17:25 (UTC)
Subject: I would say
come ahead you murderous bastards, arrest me. Unfortunately the gvt managed to give the USA powers of extradition that permit them to take anyone from the UK without showing any evidence. How this is different from kidnapping I do not know.
Surely it breaks the European human rights legislation?
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2007-12-03 21:38 (UTC)
Subject: Re: I would say
And European human rights legislation would make how much difference, exactly?
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calcinations
User: calcinations
Date: 2007-12-04 00:15 (UTC)
Subject: Re: I would say
Probably nothing. Thats my problem.
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2007-12-04 00:41 (UTC)
Subject: Re: I would say
Mine too.
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