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hutch0
Date: 2008-04-05 22:02
Subject: amazon v the world
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Our favourite online bookseller is at it again. This from the Times. I sense a storm coming.
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Kat: book laptop
User: artykat
Date: 2008-04-05 21:17 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:book laptop
I do, too. Nice bit of free advertising for the other companies, I thought. Amazon is so greedy! It is unbelievable.
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2008-04-05 21:21 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
The bit that really got my attention was their use of the buy-button boycott again.
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RealThog: Jim's bear pic
User: realthog
Date: 2008-04-05 21:36 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Jim's bear pic

What's interesting too is the complete ignorance about the book trade displayed by one of the commenters on the Times site, who began, with a huff and a puff:

Publishers have no right in law to specify how much Amazon may discount on retail prices nor take action against Amazon if they are unhappy with its resale prices.

This is true, but absolutely irrelevant to the matter at hand.
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Kat: book laptop
User: artykat
Date: 2008-04-05 21:59 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:book laptop
That's exactly what I thought, Thog!! Completely irrelevant!
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2008-04-05 23:42 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
You're not surprised that someone commentating on a Times story is ignorant, surely?
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RealThog
User: realthog
Date: 2008-04-06 01:27 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

"You're not surprised that someone commentating on a Times story is ignorant, surely?"

True dat. If they were ignorant about Brad, Angelina and Jen, on the other hand . . .


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RealThog
User: realthog
Date: 2008-04-06 01:28 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

PS: Do you know who Joel and Nicole are? I mean, you're a journo, after all . . .
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calcinations
User: calcinations
Date: 2008-04-05 21:59 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
As someone who is laborously learning to write sellable fiction, I keep thinking I should learn more about the market. Then I just get confused some more, and have the horrible feeling that the author just gets caught in the crossfire.
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RealThog: Jim's bear pic
User: realthog
Date: 2008-04-05 22:06 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Jim's bear pic

"have the horrible feeling that the author just gets caught in the crossfire"

See? You understand the booktrade already!
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2008-04-06 00:28 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
On the other hand, when you feel you have something saleable, let me or Thog know.
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RealThog: Jim's bear pic
User: realthog
Date: 2008-04-06 00:35 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Jim's bear pic

"On the other hand, when you feel you have something saleable, let me or Thog know."

. . . and we'll plagiarize it . . .
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2008-04-06 00:36 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Well, you might, needing sales as you do...
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RealThog
User: realthog
Date: 2008-04-06 00:42 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

Ooo, waspish.
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2008-04-06 00:49 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
What the hell? Guthrie already thinks we're lunatics.
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RealThog: Jim's bear pic
User: realthog
Date: 2008-04-05 22:14 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:Jim's bear pic

Incidentally, over the past two days alone Amazon has lost about $75 of my online business because of the PoD blackmail and now this latest piece of bullyboyism (which Pam picked up in one of the trade mags yesterday or the day before). I had several books I needed to buy and I bought them elsewhere. It was a bit tedious consulting my Amazon Wish List (where I'd been storing these and other titles for future reference) and making the actual purchases elsewhere, but I'm pissed off enough with Amazon that I thought the fiddlefaddle was worth it.

Because I'm engaged in the first raft of bookbuying to research Bogus Science, there'll be a few hundred further dollars over the next month or so that Amazon could have expected but which will now be going to vendors other than Amazon.

Companies forget one thing at their peril: individual customers can have so small an effect on your business that "negligible" is too grand a word, but if you alienate a few million of those individuals you're in real trouble.
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2008-04-05 23:44 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I'm thinking about doing that, too. The problem is, the people to whom Amazon's actions really matter are only a tiny fraction of their client-base.
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RealThog: 'Ronica
User: realthog
Date: 2008-04-06 00:38 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:'Ronica

Perhaps not so tiny. I can't remember the details, but I can recall being astonished/horrified by the figure I encountered a while back for the number of book buyers who're also writers/wannabees. If I had to guess I'd say it was somewhere around the 25% mark, maybe higher. It certainly made my eyebrows usefully fill in that balding bit at the back.
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2008-04-06 00:44 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I didn't realise the percentage was so high. That's interesting...
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RealThog: morgan brighteyes
User: realthog
Date: 2008-04-06 14:04 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Keyword:morgan brighteyes

It'd be worth asking Selkie what proportion of her customers she reckons claim/hope one day to be writers. Hers isn't the most typical bookselling outlet, of course, but her estimate would be interesting nonetheless.
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RealThog
User: realthog
Date: 2008-04-06 15:07 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)

"It's hard for me to pin down a percentage, but I'm thinking it's between 10 and 15% of my regular customers who have something to do with writing and publishing"

Thanks for this info!

And, of course, you can add in those of your customers whose literary aspirations or achievements you don't know about because they don't mention them (I mean, when I go into bookshops I don't generally mention that I write all the books they decline to carry, and in my youth I certainly never told booksellers I was hoping to write lots of books or even that I planned on a career in publishing). So the 25% figure doesn't seem all that unreasonably high.
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hutch0
User: hutch0
Date: 2008-04-06 20:29 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Interesting numbers. I always assume that most of the people at cons have at the very least dabbled in writing, but I never looked at bookshops that way.
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